I see what you did there, tiki. Good one! 😆
Incognigo Montoya
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Giving fake address to elder
by Addison0998 inso i got married a few weeks ago, living a great life now with my husband, he was definitely the perfect guy for me :) but anyways, we are going to work on slowly fading, going to meetings once a week or every two weeks, and then in a few months move to a hall where nobody knows our families and the elders hardly know each other, and fade out a lot more.
but an elder asked for our address, which we didn’t feel comfortable giving him, because we don’t want any unexpected visits to “shepard” us, when we miss a few meetings, because they already text us when we miss 2 meetings in a row, which we had just gotten back from our honeymoon 🙄 so we “accidentally” gave him the wrong apartment number.
so if they ever come pokin around they will be lost, and if they call or text us we will just have an excuse for not replying.
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Giving fake address to elder
by Addison0998 inso i got married a few weeks ago, living a great life now with my husband, he was definitely the perfect guy for me :) but anyways, we are going to work on slowly fading, going to meetings once a week or every two weeks, and then in a few months move to a hall where nobody knows our families and the elders hardly know each other, and fade out a lot more.
but an elder asked for our address, which we didn’t feel comfortable giving him, because we don’t want any unexpected visits to “shepard” us, when we miss a few meetings, because they already text us when we miss 2 meetings in a row, which we had just gotten back from our honeymoon 🙄 so we “accidentally” gave him the wrong apartment number.
so if they ever come pokin around they will be lost, and if they call or text us we will just have an excuse for not replying.
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Incognigo Montoya
Telling the truth is always the best option. No need to remember what you said, or further lie to keep consistent. But sometimes you have to wage spiritual warfare. 😁
If you are trying to spare others, or yourself, grief, and you are non confrontational, you may need to alter the facts a little. Absolutely nothing wrong with this. They hold no authority over you. You do not answer to them. It is none of their business. The information you provide, they may use against you at a later date. Giving them misleading information is a protection of your mental and spiritual well being. Spiritual warfare.
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Giving fake address to elder
by Addison0998 inso i got married a few weeks ago, living a great life now with my husband, he was definitely the perfect guy for me :) but anyways, we are going to work on slowly fading, going to meetings once a week or every two weeks, and then in a few months move to a hall where nobody knows our families and the elders hardly know each other, and fade out a lot more.
but an elder asked for our address, which we didn’t feel comfortable giving him, because we don’t want any unexpected visits to “shepard” us, when we miss a few meetings, because they already text us when we miss 2 meetings in a row, which we had just gotten back from our honeymoon 🙄 so we “accidentally” gave him the wrong apartment number.
so if they ever come pokin around they will be lost, and if they call or text us we will just have an excuse for not replying.
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Incognigo Montoya
Absolutely. So easy to play off if you ever get called out on it in the future.
If you just give a different apartment number, though, if he ever comes looking and he has the right apartment complex, you may be easier to find than you think. Personally, I would give a different apartment complex. If it ever comes up, you can just say you had been looking at those apartments and got them mixed up, or were supposed to move there, but this new apartment came available at the last minute. But avoid that conversation at all cost, because you'll more than likely be expected, or feel the need to divulge your true address, and you can really only play this off once.
If you are moving out of town, just give them a different town address. An adjacent city, or town is easy enough to "visit" their hall while you fade, or in an "emergency" situation, but isn't in their territory, for them to happen upon you while in fs. And you can use the same excuse as above, or another, like; we decided at the last minute to move closer to work, or this new place was more convenient for work, etc...
As we were looking over the old place, a neighbor told us they had bedbugs/mice/mold/noisy kids/fight constantly/horrible odor/insert other horror story, so we opted for a different place.
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Lets face it. Baptism is a lie.
by nowawake14 ini remember when i did.
i was in hs when that happened.
i wasn't even awake yet.
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Incognigo Montoya
Xanthippe, I knew what baptism meant. I knew what the consequences were for disobedience. There was no fine print.
However, as a minor, I didnt understand the gravity of what I was agreeing to. How can you? How does anyone in their early 20's on down actually understand what 'life' entails.
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Lets face it. Baptism is a lie.
by nowawake14 ini remember when i did.
i was in hs when that happened.
i wasn't even awake yet.
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Incognigo Montoya
For the record, I might add, I take full responsibility for getting baptized. While I dont think it was a good idea, or that an underage person should be allowed to, or that I was capable of understanding fully, the dedication and lifelong ramifications of what it all meant, I still knew what I was doing, and did it of my own free will. I refuse to blame others for my choices, and I am critical of others who shirk responsibility for their actions, even at a young age.
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Lets face it. Baptism is a lie.
by nowawake14 ini remember when i did.
i was in hs when that happened.
i wasn't even awake yet.
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Incognigo Montoya
I got baptized at 17. The pressure to do so was almost tangible. My younger sibling had already gotten baptized and I was being scrutinized by those I loved, both family and friends. I grew up in that hall, and was dearly loved by so many, and I loved them. I was the only boy, in my age group, the oldest boy there, I almost felt like the golden child. I was expected to do great things in service to Jehovah, i.e. get baptized, become a servant, pioneer, go to Bethel. I hated to be a disappointment. I also felt like a disappointment to my parents. It seemed I was getting into trouble constantly, for all sorts of petty things, and my punishments felt pretty extreme. (Not abusive punishments, but any minor infraction resulted in overkill consequences) my parents didn't trust me. Lastly, I wanted to date. I was very interested in girls, but I couldnt pursue any sort of relationship with an acceptable girl, unless I was looked at as spiritually strong. Having a good job was secondary to being spiritually ready to marry, and I wasn't pursuing an education, so by getting the first step outa the way, I was setting my self up to be "available".
I decided that getting baptized was the answer to all of these problems. I truly loved Jehovah, my parents, and the friends at the hall, so what could go wrong? I was prone to fitting in at school, sneaking around a bit, but I wasn't drinking, doing drugs, having sex (though I would do everything but). Ultimately I just wanted trust and respect of my parents. It all came crashing down just over a year later. Should've never gotten baptized. I have always wondered, as witnesses profess to follow christs example, and he, as a perfect man, didnt get baptized until he was in his 30's. How can they accept, endorse, or even require their children to make that sort of commitment, before they're even considered an adult by "worldly" standards? Certainly not fully developed mentally, by scientific and medical standards. Who in their right mind trusts an 18 year old? Most adults wouldn't get in a car with them driving, let alone let an 18-21 yo make a life altering decision for them. Why would you allow a minor to make a life altering, permanently cemented decision, for themselves? As an adult now, I see it as absolutely unacceptable.
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"Dog bites religious books on South Florida beach, but his owner gets put in the doghouse"
by ShirleyW inthe thing that stands out about this story is and i italicized below is, the jw said he had a permit, which i really, really, really, have a strong feeling that this is the biggest lie told on the planet, dubs just set those damn carts down wherever they please, step back about five feet from them and start looking at their phones are gossiping with their pioneer partner about everyone else in the cong while getting their hours in.. man's best friend also proved to be his best accomplice in the case of a marathon man and his french bulldog butterbean.edgar wallis jones, 59, was walking his dog on sombrero beach feb. 6 at 11:30 a.m. jones approached a jehovah's witness who had a cart filled with religious literature set up near a pavilion.he told the man that he was not allowed on city or state property with religious books.
the victim responded that he had a permit and that they were free.jones said if the literature was free, he would take all of it.
he grabbed the cart while butterbean began chewing on some of the books.
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The Strange Case of Don Decker on Unsolved Mysteries
by Tenacious ini know many members on this forum no longer believe in the christian god of the bible.
and we should all be respectful of each other's beliefs.
no one should be vilified for not believing or vice-versa.. though we all share one thing in common and that's falling victims to the vermin governing idiots.. going back thousands of years, our planet has experienced strange occurrences with many falling under the paranormal umbrella.
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Incognigo Montoya
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." - I absolutely agree, though 12 year old me desperately clings to belief in the Loch Ness Monster 🦕😊
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The awful treatment of my disfellowshipped cousin still continues
by RULES & REGULATIONS inmy cousin was disfellowshipped twenty years ago when he was 18 years old.
he admitted to the congregation elders that he was fornicating with his ''wordly'' girlfriend.
the elders were following him and hiding in their cars to see what he was up to.
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Incognigo Montoya
How does your cousin feel about this? What is his status, pomo, or pomi? It's crazy the level to which a relative, especially a parent, will go to avoid association with a disfellowshipped son or daughter. I've been on the receiving end (almost exact experience as your cousin) and it sucks. I wasn't even shunned to that extreme, as my parents still talked to me and saw me, on occasion. Not having normal family relationships or communication, because of a religious policy, stemming from a youthful "indiscretion", hurts, and is mentally abusive. But the organization seems to have doubled down on their shunning in recent years, when that video came out in 2016, showing the mother, not even answering her phone, when her df daughter called.
2 things; 1. Does he think of going back, just to regain some sort of relationship with his family? 2. Is he stable and strong enough to realize that he made it this far without them, he doesn't need them, or the drama they insist on creating, in his life?
My heart goes out to him and his wife and child. What a waste of time it all is. When his father gets to the end of his life, he will be filled with regret, even if he's too stubborn to admit it, and his son, with hurt. At least when a parent dies, there is a physical reason you can no longer communicate. But all that time, 20 years pass, and you're completely capable of communication, able to share in your sons life, but you choose not to. Go out of your way not to. It hurts to think about it, and to remember.
How fucking selfish are they, his parents, trying to circumvent their son, in order to see their grandchild. Making their grandchild and daughter in law, pawns in their sick game of shunning. And yet I cant even be angry with parents for doing this, as they are conditioned and brainwashed into doing this, by the organization. Absolutely heart breaking.
I hope your cousin, and his wife, have a good, strong, loving, happy, life, and family. He deserves it.
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Are You Horrifed if Someone Goes Into a “Massage Parlor”?
by minimus inyesterday, robert kraft, the owner of the new england patriots, got busted for getting a massage and more.
they say there is another more high profile person who also got busted.. does this stuff upset you that some men have gone into a massage parlor for possibly more than a massage?
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Incognigo Montoya
I cannot know what was in mr Kraft's head or heart. But I can speculate given what I know of the situation, and human nature, which is all any of us can do really, unless, minimus, you're a close companion and part of Mr. Krafts brain trust, in which case I will happily concede to your take on the matter.
Why would multiple men, with tremendous wealth, all be frequenting small, insignificant massage parlors, spending a pittance, just for a happy ending? Really? That innocent? Any of these guys could purchase any prostitute anywhere in the world, and pay them to perform any sex act they wish, anywhere they wish to have it, at any time, literally millions of times over. When you have that much power, it is no longer a challenge. It all can easily become vanilla. This is how and why some of the filthy rich can, and sometimes do, become involved in shady and sinister things, that leaves the rest of us in the peanut gallery scratching our heads, thinking, how could someone with so much money be so stupid as to get themselves into this situation, or get caught. The fact that there are multiple wealthy men involved leads me to speculate that they knew what was going on. As I stated before, I have no problems with people engaging in sex for money, as long as every one is a consenting adult. But, if we are to believe the story, the women involved were not. They were sex slaves. And I'm sorry, but these guys knew it. There's really no other plausible reason (imo. there, is that better, minimus?) for them to be involved. I guess we'll see what the outcome is. Perhaps mr. Kraft is an innocent party in all of this. Maybe he just innocently wandered into one of these establishments simply in search of a massage, and nothing more.